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 Post subject: negative balance
PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 3:42 pm 
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hello
lot of our customers are getting negative balance.
any idea on how to prevent that.
is there any possibility to reset customer account to 0.00 (zero)
once they have a negative balance
thanks in advance


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 Post subject: Re: negative balance
PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 4:20 pm 
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Negative balance can occur when you allow concurrent calls. Dial balance reservation in the agi-conf can help negate this effect

Joe


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 Post subject: Re: negative balance
PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 4:30 am 
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What values does "Dial balance reservation" field take? 0.25 appears to be default, what this value is.
If I change it to 1 what effect does it have? On the same lines, can it have negative value?


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 Post subject: Re: negative balance
PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 5:32 am 
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Every time a call is launched, it takes that value off the balance, and puts it back again at the end of the call.

It's a way of stopping multiple concurrent calls running you into negative balance.

Joe


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 Post subject: Re: negative balance
PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 2:17 pm 
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OK....that really doesn't help me....I am trying to set a DID as a residential phone.
There is a monthly charge on this DID(say 20.00 per month). This account is set as pre-paid (dont know
if this is right).

Initially when the account / DID is configured, the balance shows as -20.00.
User has a dial tone but inbound and outbound doesn't work

User pays hist 20.00 per month payment and then balance becomes zero (0.00)

Inbound / outbound still doesn't work.

I am realizing that the user will be able to make calls or receive calls only when
the balance is above 0.00 (positive). This resembles CALLING CARD implementation.

I just cannot make it to work for residential purpose where balance will either be zero
or negative (and never positive).

Also, when the balance is negative, I am not sure if proper invoices are generated...

Any help/comments/suggestions on this?
Any workaround on it?


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 Post subject: Re: negative balance
PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 5:17 pm 
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Hi

If you want to postpay, set his credit limit.

Joe


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 Post subject: Re: negative balance
PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 7:58 pm 
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No, "postpay" is not solution because it involves setting a "limit". I do not want to set any limit, "Residential Phone" comes with a "limit"? Doesn't
sound very good. PSTN companies and Residential VOIP companies around the world (at least the one I have seen) do not set any such limit on
Residential Lines.

What is your definition of "Residential Phone"? Your website says you support Residential Phone

===>VoIP residential services – Customers can be issued with a softphone or hard phone and be billed for calls made via Voice over IP. <====

Is this what you mean by "Residential Service" ?

The general understanding of Residential Phone (or any SERVICE, like Credit Card, except pre-paid services line Bank Debit Cards / Phone Calling Card etc)
service is the balance for the customer is always negative or zero (unless customer pays extra)....am I missing something here?

On the same line, I was expecting your software to function, but doesn't appear to be the case......

Your thoughts?


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 Post subject: Re: negative balance
PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 8:25 pm 
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The biggest issue I see here is once the balance goes to zero or negative, the customer's phone stop working.
This IMPLEMENTATION is good if I am selling CALLINGS CARDS. For RESIDENTIAL PHONE, I see balance to remain
either zero or negative.

Does your software can be made to work in such scenario? I have tried to configure agi properties in many permutations,
still not able to permit a user to inbound/outbound when his balance is either zero or negative.

Any help on how-to to fix it?

This is the bottle neck for us at the moment


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 Post subject: Re: negative balance
PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 8:54 pm 
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BINGO....setting the DID to "postpay" and adding credit linit just works fine....
lesson : try first....

I did not tried this first and even after your suggestions...

OK...I move forward from here...

In the A2billing ADMIN under "Customer - Add Search", I can see the "BA" going negative as the
user calls, and the amount it shows the charges what customer has incurred while calling.

My understanding now is if I use "Export cvs" option I can capture this data in a cvs file which
I can use for billing purpose.

This is great...

Will keep you updated once I get it work

Thanks


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